Non-standard vinyl color?

For the free text field about vinyl color the sub guidelines say:

6.1.5. The Free Text field should be used to describe;

* Any non-standard color of the audio carrier,

It seems that most threads about this suggest that black is the only standard vinyl color, but what if a release is ONLY available in ONE color (white/clear/etc.)?
Wouldn't that be the standard color for that release?

If it's only available in one color it goes in the notes section. The Free Text Field is for details that distinguish one version from another as you already know. Since there is only one color that isn't the case here.

That's what I thought but I seem to be bumping against other s that think anything but black should be added to the FTF.

I honestly don't care either way, I just want to know if I've been handling it wrong...

thanks!

My two cents is that the majority of vinyl releases are black, which makes black the standard colour

FauniGena
If it's only available in one color it goes in the notes section. The Free Text Field is for details that distinguish one version from another as you already know. Since there is only one color that isn't the case here.

i thought that only applies for packaging, see 6.1.5. http://discogs.librosgratis.biz/help/submission-guidelines-release-format.html#Format
i always add the color to FTF if it's not black (for vinyl) or silver (for CDs)

josteih
My two cents is that the majority of vinyl releases are black, which makes black the standard colour

I put in a twopenny.

+1

Any different colour than black goes in the FTF, no matter if that's the only version.

Haze
Any different colour than black goes in the FTF, no matter if that's the only version.

OK. One GBP for that.

josteih
the majority of vinyl releases are black, which makes black the standard colour

This is correct.

ok, thanks everyone.

how about releases that appear black but are translucent brown when held to a strong light, and no similar standard black pressing exists? is it permissible that the colour info go in the FTF?

PabloPlato
how about releases that appear black but are translucent brown when held to a strong light, and no similar standard black pressing exists? is it permissible that the colour info go in the FTF?

There has been no evidence presented up till now that this is an intended 'colour' of the vinyl, rather a manufacturing issue where less carbon black was added to the vinyl mixture. As such, and given that many people will not know whether any of their vinyl has this slight translucency when held up to a strong light, it is not considered a unique release and should not be noted in the FTF... mentioning it in the notes is fine.

PabloPlato
how about releases that appear black but are translucent brown when held to a strong light, and no similar standard black pressing exists? is it permissible that the colour info go in the FTF?

As they were intended to be black but are brown due to the use of a substandard compound, I'd say no, but a note may suffice. This would be a manufacturing variation and is similar to the current rule (1.4.4) which says that "shades of label paper or ink color etc, would not constitute a unique release"

Edit - Nik responded whilst I was typing this.

This goes for many many labels as well.
Bring them out in the sunlight and whoops a new color comes up.

nik
There has been no evidence presented up till now that this is an intended 'colour' of the vinyl, rather a manufacturing issue where less carbon black was added to the vinyl mixture. As such, and given that many people will not know whether any of their vinyl has this slight translucency when held up to a strong light, it is not considered a unique release and should not be noted in the FTF... mentioning it in the notes is fine.

thanks for the clarification - gonna go edit the format in a few subs now.

In my opinion these should be unique releases.
I would purchase a dark brown translucent copy over a black copy ...
To me the difference is significant (even if unintentional).

Edit: that is, if you can notice this without a halogen held right up to it ... many records would probably show dull translucency if treated this way

consort
In my opinion these should be unique releases.
I would purchase a dark brown translucent copy over a black copy ...

in some cases it's the only colour a release will come in.

PabloPlato
in some cases it's the only colour a release will come in.

If you notice translucency when holding it up in a well-lit room, then that should qualify as a non-standard color imho

the cuing lamp on my turntables is bright enough to shine through in most cases - that's usually how i discover which ones are translucent

and the 40watt bulbs in my bathroom aid in documentation

http://discogs.librosgratis.biz/viewimages?release=106459

http://discogs.librosgratis.biz/viewimages?release=544036

PabloPlato
the 40watt bulbs in my bathroom aid in documentation

Yep - those are not black records imo.

Eviltoastman
As they were intended to be black but are brown due to the use of a substandard compound,

Just to clarify... that's not always the case; there's a high-quality audiophile vinyl formulation which is like this too.

http://discogs.librosgratis.biz/help/forums/topic/175973
http://discogs.librosgratis.biz/help/forums/topic/180331

While we're on the subject, can we please get a vote over here? Takako Minekawa - Fun9

consort
Yep - those are not black records imo.

so in these such cases having the colour in the FTF is....ok? not ok?
nik - please provide a ruling on these such instances, this isnt a black vs brown issue, it's a brown only issue.

nik
There has been no evidence presented up till now that this is an intended 'colour' of the vinyl, rather a manufacturing issue where less carbon black was added to the vinyl mixture. As such, and given that many people will not know whether any of their vinyl has this slight translucency when held up to a strong light, it is not considered a unique release and should not be noted in the FTF... mentioning it in the notes is fine.

+1

They're actually a transluscent bronze rather than a brown

i'd argue that they are an espresso colour.

sanberg101
+1

intended or not, the colours and translucency are fact and worthy of documenting.

and it may only be through documenting these instances that a pattern will form and a reason for the cause of these vinyl colours will become apparent.

PabloPlato
intended or not, the colours and translucency are fact and worthy of documenting.

and it may only be through documenting these instances that a pattern will form and a reason for the cause of these vinyl colours will become apparent.

+1

PabloPlato
the colours and translucency are fact and worthy of documenting

do you think that everyone exposes default black records to sunlight in order to see that they are not regularly black?

sanberg101
do you think that everyone exposes default black records to sunlight in order to see that they are not regularly black?

Why sunlight? Can't you see through with your desktop lamp when inspecting?

Curiopete
Why sunlight?

put there any kind of light source you want instead of it

Curiopete
Can't you see through with your desktop lamp when inspecting?

why sould be one even doing that?

PabloPlato
nik - please provide a ruling on these such instances, this isnt a black vs brown issue, it's a brown only issue.

The rulling is the same - this variation is only suitable for the notes section at this time.

PabloPlato
the colours and translucency are fact and worthy of documenting.

and it may only be through documenting these instances that a pattern will form and a reason for the cause of these vinyl colours will become apparent.

Documenting this in the release notes is sufficient, no?

The reasonable explanation is the one I gave above http://discogs.librosgratis.biz/help/forums/topic/281061#2990606

sanberg101
why sould be one even doing that?

ummm...perhaps while one has the vinyl out of the cover while submitting data, would be ample reason to lift it up a few more inches?
I've never found a way to submit data without actually removing the vinyl from the cover; if you have, please advise.

sanberg101
do you think that everyone exposes default black records to sunlight in order to see that they are not regularly black?

i dont expect anyone to. i certainly dont.

PabloPlato
the cuing lamp on my turntables is bright enough to shine through in most cases - that's usually how i discover which ones are translucent

and the 40watt bulbs in my bathroom aid in documentation

i usually discover which ones are translucent when i place a record on my turntable if the cuing lamp is on, or if i am in my bathroom taking photos of the sleeve and labels and just happen to catch the light right.

Curiopete
I've never found a way to submit data without actually removing the vinyl from the cover; if you have, please advise.

i can submit data without putting records against the desktop lamp. that was what we were talking about as far as i can .

sanberg101
i can submit data without putting records against the desktop lamp

Knock yourself out. You can submit data from a hole in the ground, for all I care.

While we're submitting, some of us like to inspect condition under a lamp, to see if the label is centered, feel for edge-roughness, etc etc etc...all of which requires lifting the record off the desktop. So, to lift it another few inches is really not a problem for anyone who doesn't find the vinyl too heavy ;)

PabloPlato
or if i am in my bathroom taking photos

:|

StaticGuru
:|

yeah i know, i knew it would sound weird.

the position of the vanity lights plus the ledge under the mirror allow for the best conditions when documenting records in my place.

2nd best is the kitchen, but i don't like taking sleeves in there should there be something that wasn't fully wiped up off the counter.