What Belongs In The FTF and How To Format It

As the format is now, I would've thought there are several differently colored gatefold covers of which this is the bone white cover.

But if bone white refers to the vinyl colour and in fact all covers are gatefold, then the FTF should simply read "Bone White" and that's it.
No need to still double the format with "White [Bone White]" as the FTF is no longer shortened to 3 characters, just write the colour as it is marketed.

myvinyldiscography
brackets are standard

Do you mean square brackets or the normal ones?

rugogs
But if bone white refers to the vinyl colour and in fact all covers are gatefold, then the FTF should simply read "Bone White" and that's it.

+1

rugogs
But if bone white refers to the vinyl colour and in fact all covers are gatefold, then the FTF should simply read "Bone White" and that's it.
No need to still double the format with "White [Bone White]" as the FTF is no longer shortened to 3 characters, just write the colour as it is marketed.

+ 1

Bone White appears to be the colour of the vinyl. If all vinyl versions are Gatefold, then the FTF should simply be Bone White, nothing more, nothing less. Brandon1011

Brandon1011 No such thing as a "master of listing". Nix the "Gatefold".

brandon1011 doesn’t seem to be taking the advice well, and reverted the corrections donjorge made.

“Nah, I’m good. This was my listing I made. If you have a legit problem with it I’d be happy to take critiques and approve corrections. But from the looks of what you changed. I didn’t see any need for changing. Maybe next time if you are the master of listing make it yourself. Thank you, have a nice day”

Perhaps someone with voting abilities can step in…

If anyone has guidance about the release notes, they would be appreciated as well

FTF should read "White [Bone White]"

Notes can read: "Issued in gatefold, with printed inner sleeves."

Everything else is superfluous.

rugogs
No need to still double the format with "White [Bone White]" as the FTF is no longer shortened to 3 characters, just write the colour as it is marketed.

This isn't true for the entire site, just some pages. The other part that goes along with the "3 character" rule, is that someone down the line may not know the exact color that the label called it and wouldn't necessarily know to look for "Bone" as the color. The color name is obvious here, but it isn't in all cases - it's best to have a standard way to enter things that's as useful as possible, even if it sometimes is obvious.

disneyfacts
FTF should read "White [Bone White]"

Why repeat White?

Silvermo
disneyfactsFTF should read "White [Bone White]"

Why repeat White?

It's the full official name. It does seem redundant but it's "Bone White" not "Bone"

I think, as of the recent update to the Collection view, only the Marketplace now uses an abbreviated FTF. The database parts of discogs now fully expand it (as far as the HTML allows before cutting it off, at any rate). There is now absolutely no need to move the most-distinctly-spelled differentiating factor in the FTF to the front and square-bracket the literal description.

"Bone White" is sufficient, if the rest of the LP versions are all gatefold, and "Gatefold, Bone White" if 'gatefold' genuinely is a necessary differentiator.

Diognes_The_Fox should update the guidelines to change those rules that deal with the fallout of discogs abbreviating the FTF.

disneyfacts
it's "Bone White" not "Bone"

So Bone White in the FTF, not White [Bone White]
I don't think anybody is sugesting Bone are they, unless I've missed it?

disneyfacts
It's the full official name. It does seem redundant but it's "Bone White" not "Bone"

Official name is Bone White. Not White [Bone White]. No nead to repeat White in front of the color of the vinyl.

LolH
So Bone White in the FTF, not White [Bone White]

Exactly. This is the way to go. No need to add extra text and brackets.

I am in agreement what White [Bone White] might be a little redundant.

I am still a fan of using brackets when the official color name isn't actually a color for easier identification.

disneyfacts
FTF should read "White [Bone White]"

Bone White is a real color. Let's stop this "Color [Actual Color]" bullshit entirely "Bone White" is perfectly fine.
For the love of discogs I cannot stand this redundant nonsense around colors - it's not a guideline, it's not a forum decision, it's just a random idiocy started and somehow continued by a couple of vocal s decades ago. It's a shit way to do things.

Diognes_The_Fox
I am in agreement what White [Bone White] might be a little redundant.

I am still a fan of using brackets when the official color name isn't actually a color for easier identification.

The only situation I see fit to use Color [Marketing Term] is when the marketing term isn’t a color at all. Say the vinyl is marketed as ”magical unicorn” or something. But then again we put other marketing things (like 25th annaversery edition and such) in the FTF so why not just go with marketed color and explain in release notes what the actual color looks like.

And we can go by color only if the release wasn’t marketed as anything special.

Silvermo
Just go with marketed color and explain in release notes what the actual color looks like. And we can go by color only if the release wasn’t marketed as anything special.

Simple rule, easy. +1000 The expanded FTF - it's different now vs then.

cellularsmoke
Let's stop this "Color [Actual Color]" bullshit entirely

theslutbunny
cellularsmokeLet's stop this "Color [Actual Color]" bullshit entirely

That's not what I quoted at all. Wtf?

TopCats45s
Simple rule, easy. +1000 The expanded FTF - it's different now vs then.

+1

I like where this is headed.

So for posterity:
- if the d color way has a color in the name, keep it as is.
- The notes should "Issued in gatefold, with printed inner sleeves."

I think that should properly address the intention of this forum. Thanks all!

Sweet Jebus. I have read in the forums over and over and over how important it is to put the "regular" color first (in this case 'White'). As I have understood it, this was because the webpage design would have the first three letters of the color, so White was 'Whi', Blue was 'Blu', etc. If you added "Bone White" it would appear as "Bon" which would cause really bad mojo (probably). As a web developer, I recognized this as "a bad idea"* since data governance should never be tied to design (designs change).

Not sure I can contribute here until I have read the remaining several thousand forum pages. I just wish there was some kind of lines of guidance that would provide a single, definitive answer.

* - this is as diplomatic as I can be. It is/was a monumentally stupid policy.

Oh, and if you're looking for some other fun activities, check out the forums for the myriad of rules about how to handle gatefolds and 180g in the FTF.

myvinyldiscography
- if the d color way has a color in the name, keep it as is.

I think that's too restrictive personally. Something like "Dark Skies" colored vinyl seems fine for the FTF. We all know roughly what Dark Skies look like. Add Grey or Grey Swirl or whatever it is in the notes.

Puke color vinyl could be green, brown, whatever but if that's what they call it then just stick it in there. Color to the notes. Anywhere you go to buy it is going to call it Puke color.

Color to the FTF only if there's no marketing term for the color or the color of the record doesn't match the marketing term. eg when "Green vinyl' is actually yellow or vice versa. Glass Beams - Mirage

imo.

recordnumber
if you added "Bone White" it would appear as "Bon"

Not any more, the FTF now displays in full in the master release.

Silvermo
The only situation I see fit to use Color [Marketing Term] is when the marketing term isn’t a color at all. Say the vinyl is marketed as ”magical unicorn” or something. But then again we put other marketing things (like 25th annaversery edition and such) in the FTF so why not just go with marketed color and explain in release notes what the actual color looks like.

If I have a stack of records and I am trying to figure out which one I have, I don't want to have to open a dozen different tabs to figure out what Magical Unicorn even means. The goal of Color [Marketing Term] is to make identification easier. If the color used translates to a color, use that instead.

theslutbunny Color to the FTF only if there's no marketing term for the color or the color of the record doesn't match the marketing term. eg when "Green vinyl' is actually yellow or vice versa.

I'm +1 for this, definitely helpful for different manufacturers with different color/opacity variances.

Diognes_The_Fox
The goal of Color [Marketing Term] is to make identification easier. If the color used translates to a color, use that instead.

Maybe we should go Marketing Term [Color] to nip the debates ”is it a real color or not” in the butt. Or maybe I’m just overcomplicating things because I’m really tiered of the ”color should always go first”-misinterpetation of the guideline.

But I see a point in keping it consistant with using the marketing term first (or only if no explination is needed) on all releases and not marketing term first unless sometimes when color comes first.
Marketing term is also what many (modern) releases have printed on the release (stickers) aswell.

However it is decided it would be good with a clear guideline update so we can standarlise the input of vinyl colors in the FTF.

I would also like to ask that Vinyl should be entered in the FTF so it’s clear what the Color in the FTF is refering to. Just as we do with everything else. Like ”Red labels” for example. It would IMO make the database easier to use, especially for newer s that don’t automatically know that ”Red” in the FTF refers to the vinyl color. Edit: but this last part is way of topic, so no need to start a discussion on that here /edit