[Resolved] Another undiscussed PAN swapping from The Deadlys to Deadlys

Hi there!

Deadlys, created only one month ago.

Also conserned:
Penetrations), but Profile not yet cleared)

And some more duplicates might have been created as can be seen here:
https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/release/8985645-Roots-66/history#latest

More PAN swapping here: (from https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/release/1305741-Ghost-Of-Blossom/history#latest

As per Guidelines, PAN swappings should only be done as a last Resort and after Forum discussion (https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/forum/thread/386848

There was no real Need to do so imO amnd the Edits should get reverted AFAIC.
Have reverted one manually to reinstate Profile.
Links to this thread are posted

See similiar discussion here:
https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/forum/thread/723619

and a most recent comment by https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/forum/thread/720386?page=2#7171611

Pinging also cyclotronic from that previous discussions...

Any opinions?

Edit: Found some more problems (see links)
Edit: resolved

No need to swap around PAN - should be reverted.
Artist is called on 2 of 3 compilations The Deadlys

seehaas
No need to swap around PAN - should be reverted.

+1

+1 for revert

Loanesloan
And some more duplicates might have been created as can be seen here:
https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/release/8977151-Hillside-Album-No1/history#latest

Oh hell, yeah:
The Possums (2), not yet checked which is the correct one to use here)

Jeez....

On Discogs for 7 years now and creating such a mess...

This is the now typical issue of Nik saying things in forums and they never make it to the guidelines. I had a recent nasty argument with another who was making awful edits based on a 6 YEAR OLD forum mention of Nik's that was not reflected in guidelines all these years later. 99.9% of discogs s never touch these forums. They look to the guidelines. Discogs staff needs to make it a focus that the guidelines are updated. Until then you all are going to waste a whole lot of time on bitching about PAN swaps and so forth. Over and out...

Too bad you didn't comment on Topic...
and btw:

Loanesloan
As per Guidelines, PAN swappings should only be done as a last Resort and after Forum discussion (RSG §2.12.1.

This is written in the Guidelines...

Loanesloan
Oh hell, yeah:
Terry Davidson & Baracudas was created although Terry Davidson & The Barracudas was in database
New Breeds was created although The New Breeds was in database
Grim Reapers was created although The Grim Reepers was in database (seems the same band, there is also The Grim Reapers)
Eogs was created, is actually misread on release and was in the database as The Eags
Possums was created although The Possums was in database (there is also The Possums (2), not yet checked which is the correct one to use here)

These aren't swaps. They are simple failures to use an ANV. I often find one or two off duplicates like this. I invalidate the new artist and, depending on the state of the submission, either make the change or I leave a note. I actually get a lot of thank yous from submitters when I do it. You don't need a forum thread for these. Fixing one release takes less time.

seehaas
No need to swap around PAN - should be reverted.

Another +1 from me.

Fauni-Gena
You don't need a forum thread for these.

That's why i linked them here - could get changed in the same movement...

+1 from me.
I think Hillside Album No.1 is sufficient evidence that the original PANs were incorrect. I would not agree with that view. Such changes should have been discussed first.

Loanesloan
LoanesloanAnd some more duplicates might have been created as can be seen here:
https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/release/8977151-Hillside-Album-No1/history#latest

Oh hell, yeah:
Terry Davidson & Baracudas was created although Terry Davidson & The Barracudas was in database
New Breeds was created although The New Breeds was in database
Grim Reapers was created although The Grim Reepers was in database (seems the same band, there is also The Grim Reapers)
Eogs was created, is actually misread on release and was in the database as The Eags
Possums was created although The Possums was in database (there is also The Possums (2), not yet checked which is the correct one to use here)

Jeez....

On Discogs for 7 years now and creating such a mess...

I didn't create those.. only the the master release.. you don't even know what you're gloating about. Also, not losing any sleep over using artist names as shown on one and only original release, also shown in images. Proud of ya!

Plus, i already did all of the work.. you don't have to do anything except enjoy the error-free uniformity.

teenage.tragedy
i already did all of the mess

Corrected.

http://peoplehouse.org/wp-content/s/2015/03/Untitled-1.jpg

seehaas
teenage.tragedy
i already did all of the mess
Corrected.

it's all in the name

teenage.tragedy
I didn't create those..

Correct, please accept my excuses...
That was frozenriver

teenage.tragedy
Plus, i already did all of the work.. you don't have to do anything except enjoy the error-free uniformity.

What do you mean by that, the releases you edited should get reverted - will you do that?

Loanesloan
What do you mean by that, the releases you edited should get reverted - will you do that?

he means that his changed were correct and nothing should be done to them. except you should thank him for doing the changes.

fire away the EI's imho

seehaas
No need to swap around PAN - should be reverted.

syke
+1

berothbr
+1 for revert

Fauni-Gena
Another +1 from me.

pherron
+1 from me.

Following the protocol https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/forum/thread/386848, i'll leave a couple of EI votes by tomorrow
also leaving some reminders in the Releases concerned

have left a comment here: https://discogs.librosgratis.biz/release/8985645-Roots-66/history#latest as for the PAN changes needed.
Had to do some Research in order to sort out all the Nobleman / The Nobleman Groups and added their respective Locations to the profiles

teenage.tragedy
Plus, i already did all of the work.. you don't have to do anything except enjoy the error-free uniformity.

What you did was prohibited by the Guidelines. It certainly isn't error free. It's one big error.

syke
fire away the EI's imho

Agreed. We don't want more mass edits of this sort.

teenage.tragedy
Band names as shown on label of this release and on their original 60's release. Case closed.

Four minutes ago in the submission notes. I decided an EI was entirely in order now not later.

OK, I cast NMaC votes on the two that need a whole slew of changes since the in question did not use ANVs and EIs on the rest for both of his PAN swaps. I don't know if that will put him on CIP or not. If not he may redo his edits. This needs to be watched closely, something I will not be able to do.

FWIW, all the releases for The Arnold Incorporated are in the correct place now. That's entirely reverted. That was actually a duplicate artist rather than a PAN swap but it should definitely have been discussed first.

Eggs (7) is correct though - have adapted the profiles, but the rest is not OK

teenage.tragedy
Ha! My submission and edits are correct.

Both the Guidelines and community consensus say otherwise. If you make those edits again you will get negative votes again and eventually end up on CIP. Is that what you want? The Guidelines apply to everyone. You are no exception.

I've corrected Various - Hillside Album No.1. One more to go but I can't do it now.

I've corrected Various - Roots '66. I think that's all of it.

thanks a lot!